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Chi-Town Daily News Folds

Chi-Town Daily News Folds

gapersblock.com - 10 weeks ago - 1578 views

Breaking news: Chi-Town Daily News laid off its entire staff yesterday and is closing shop. We're working working on the story; expect more details soon.

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by qstrian 10 weeks 3 days ago

Consider how many comments have been devoted to this aging story. Is it time to move on?

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by Lou Grant 10 weeks 1 day ago

Geoff was on 848 this AM. http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Content.aspx?audioID=36740 Says new company w/ all the old staff in six to eight weeks. Tuesday update: There is a new Q&A by Geoff on the CTDN website, answers a lot of questions raised: http://bit.ly/1QZ5GC

Thanks for the link!

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by Nelson 10 weeks 4 days ago

Really sad to see this group go under. They had a lot of great work. Less and less good news outlets these days...

Was it really such great work? How many of their stories made you call up a friend and say "Hey, check out this awesome story!"? One? Two? Any?

Like I was saying last week. I'm glad these guys gave it a go, but the problem wasn't the funding, it was the product.

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by Nelson 10 weeks 4 days ago

I don't think I have ever called a friend to have them read a news story on the web. I have however shared a couple of their stories on here if they didn't post them up first.

I did enjoy reading the site and they had stories that interested me on more than one occasion.

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by lanarama 10 weeks 4 days ago

WTF!

ChiTowners, what's happening?

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by Frank 10 weeks 4 days ago

geoff's going to have a statement out soon.

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by lanarama 10 weeks 4 days ago

So it's true. Ouch. Good luck, Frank, Peter and co.

Geoff has a statement:

http://www.chitowndailynews.org/blogs/Ravings_from_the_editor/Some_news_...

They're raising money to run a for-profit news org in Chicago.

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by lanarama 10 weeks 4 days ago

Here's the full thing:

The editorial team at the Daily News is moving on to launch a new, for-profit local news venture.

Over the past four years, the staff, volunteers and supporters of Chi-Town Daily News have built an impressive thing -- a new kind of news organization that works aggressively to hold public officials accountable to voters and empowers members of long-ignored communities to tell their neighborhood's stories.

We've been privileged to work with a fantastic group of foundations and other supporters, including the Knight Foundation, the Ethics and Excellence in Journalism Foundation, the Abra Prentice Foundation, and others too numerous to name here. Their advice and financial support have been instrumental to all that we've achieved, and we owe them a heartfelt thanks.

We've concluded that, as a nonprofit, we cannot raise the money we need to build a truly robust local news organization that provides comprehensive local coverage.

The Daily News needs $1 million to $2 million per year to do a great job of covering a city as sprawling and complex as Chicago. And despite hundreds of phone calls and letters to foundations, corporations and individual donors over the past four years, we've never come close to that.

Last year, we raised about $300,000. This year, due to the economic downturn, it was unclear whether we would be able to maintain that level of revenue, let alone move quickly to expand our coverage.

So, after much soul-searching, we've decided to turn our efforts toward a business model that will support the kind of vibrant public affairs coverage that Chicago deserves. Ultimately, we believe we will be able to fulfill the same mission we set out to accomplish with the Daily News, though with a different business structure and a slightly different approach.

We've got some angel funders lined up, and will be recruiting additional investors over the next few weeks. I'll be announcing more details about the new venture shortly.

Meanwhile, we are talking with local organizations that we believe will be able to fund and grow the neighborhood reporting program. We expect to quickly place that program with an organization that will be committed to citizen journalism and great local news coverage, and one with the resources to make the program even bigger and better.

In the interim, we'll continue to update ChiTownDailyNews.org with the work of our existing volunteers, and with content from our partnership with Loyola University's City News reporting class.

Translation:

We couldn't make this work with $700,000 of other people's money and 3 years.

Now we're going to try it again with the same exact team, but this time we're going to use $1M to $2M of other people's money!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

RT HPA: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Sam Zell said about the same thing when he took over the Tribune.

Well-said.

The ChiTown Daily news could never build an audience big enough to get advertisers on board who wanted to pay to be featured on there.

The reason they couldn't build an audience that big is because they wrote stories aimed at a very, very, very small subset of people, rich, guilty, intelligent liberals.

What I mean is, they were writing stories about low-income housing, the city colleges, etc. These stories have three sorts of people who care about them:

1. Low-income residents and students at these schools. Many of these people are black (notice the really white ChiTown Daily News masthead!)

2. Rich, monied local liberals who follow this stuff because they own a ton of property in the city and need to keep an eye on less fortunate to keep their wheels rolling or because they're driven by privileged guilt/benevolence to look after them.

3. Reporters, who always are interested in this stuff. That's why they become reporters.

Now, the equation was supposed to work like this: The people being written about can't afford to buy advertising and maybe aren't even online to read these stories. So they won't support this reporting. Meanwhile, the reporters are the ones being paid to do this reporting. So it falls to the rich people and their foundations to cough up the dough to support this stuff.

What Geoff's saying here is that he couldn't get the foundations to pay enough to keep things going.

So the whole business model was a flop.

Yes!
The foundations were not going to pay forever. The CTDN needed to create a business model that paid the bills. It didn't. Your analysis of the reporting is relatively on the mark, but a bit biased in how it is presented. Not a problem, as I understand your point.
I'd like to see that stuff reported, the stuff you refer to as liberal guilt stuff. It is in the category of "under reported." A great example is the CHA stories first by Megan Cottrell and later by Adrian Uribarri. However, from a business standpoint how can you make a go of selling ads when the principal audience apparently can't afford computers?
I think the CTDN needed to broaden out and find the stories that the CTDN audience wasn't finding elsewhere, but wanted to read. A good example of a missed opportunity was the entire Fifth Congressional District race. (I followed it as an aggregate, but did no real reporting.) Coverage in the broad media such as television, radio and the two major papers disappeared after the primary. Even blog coverage dried up.
The CTDN could have owned the coverage. It didn't. It had a bias towards covering those stories that were so far under the cover that the audience didn't really exist on-line.
So, what should the next CTDN do?
I think it should look for the stories that are not getting the coverage needed by the MSM. If it is a North Side publication, and it appears to be a North Side publication, it should accept that and embrace it. It can cover City Hall, it can cover the County Building. Although both are covered by the Sun-Times and the Tribune, there is a lot more to write there.
And then, from that base, it can develop these great stories that led people to like it. At least that's my idea.

There is an update on the CTDN website that indicates Geoff plans to rehire everyone under the new corporation.

Here's an interesting take on Chi-Town Daily News and Geoff Dougherty by an ex-staffer (Fernando Diaz, who works at ChicagoNow):

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/news-opinion/2009/09/chi-town-daily-news...

As with the majority of news organizations today, Chi-Town was undone by the management. The Daily News sank because of Dougherty.

Ouch. Seems like we've got another flamewar that's about to brew courtesy of ChicagoNow.

1 points
by adelle77 10 weeks 4 days ago

The same management out trying to raise money to start over?

Thanks for posting that, Kiyoshi. That's a pretty damning assessment of what happened, though it is funny to read coming from someone who works for a site that pays its writers in pennies.

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by whet 10 weeks 4 days ago

He might be right about Dougherty's mismanagement, but I don't think he makes a very compelling case. His telling is full of fire and brimstone, but his showing - the phones had problems? The CMS took a lot of work? - doesn't back it up.

That might just be a problem with presentation, but that's a big problem.

You guys and others at newsrooms in Chicago have probably dealt with a lot worse.

Really, whet? The onus is on me to prove how he failed?

This guy lays off his whole staff and I'm the bad guy.

Let's stop giving Geoff a pass. I know the people he's asking for money to fund his do-over will be asking the hard questions. Why not pose them to him?

I'll wait for Miner to ask Geoff the tough questions and see what he comes up with.

Some of us are asking some pretty hard questions.

What did he do with all the money?

How do you spend $700,000 and not get more traffic?

How does a startup burn through staff like he did?

How many citizen journos did he really have?

What's he going to do differently that merits for-profit funding? Does he have a distribution innovation up his sleeve that he kept from the CTDN? Does he have a sourcing innovation up his sleeve that he held back on? If not, why give the guy $1MM?

Great questions, HPA. Again, is it my place to answer? I don't know the answers and don't think its my place to speculate.

Re: How many citizen journos did he really have?

The site claims about 70, but you can go through the list to see who contributed what. I'm in the process of maybe graphing the data:

http://www.chitowndailynews.org/users/

Tough to say though which are contributors and which are people who maybe registered to post comments. "users" is a pretty generic term.

Edit: OK, I've gathered a list of all the "users" and the number of "articles" they "wrote" but it's a lot more complicated to drill down than I thought it would be. There's 254 accounts, but when you click on some names, despite there being an integer value next under the "articles" column, the number of actual entries they posted varies quite wildly under the low-number contributors. For instance, some users have 1-2 articles (actually a majority of them only have 1-2 articles), but when you click on their name to see what they wrote, a significant number of them have sometimes zero articles listed. Others only posted community calendar events.

It'll be interesting to see how many actual articles came from the citizen journalism/volunteer effort. The majority of the output, however, does seem to have come from staff.

I've always been a bit scared of Kiyoshi, and this shows why. The mystery unravels. I'll give you an unscientific guesstimate that it's less than the "hundreds" often quoted in the articles. a lot of people came through the doors but didn't stick around.

Yeah, I'm hand checking each user's article count to see if they're actually 1.) any articles listed at all or 2.) community calendar events.

Lots of 1-2 article users are actually 0 article contributors.

Time consuming, but I'm a dork like this. Results soon, maybe tonight if I don't get too hungry/thirsty.

1 points
by Frank 10 weeks 4 days ago

kiyoshi, i appreciate the diligence, but please acknowledge that the volunteers did a hell of a lot of work for no pay, and the 70 figure is my number, those are folks that contributed multiple times, and were active in the program. if you want details on those numbers, hit me up at frank(at)chitowndailynews(dot) org and I can tell you where they come from. your method is going to yield bad results, about 50% of volunteer content was posted by 'administrator' and the byline was changed. the user list isn't going to give you an accurate picture.

Sent you an e-mail. Thanks for the head's up. Looks like I'll go eat something instead. :-)

I'm one of those citizen journalists late of the CTDN. Geoff did not handle his volunteers well. As one of his hockey bloggers it was difficult one day to read in a much quoted Washington Post interview that the paper had no sports writers. This after staying up until midnight several nights a week photo editing an article then getting up for my day job.

Ouch.

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by whet 10 weeks 4 days ago

"The onus is on me to prove how he failed?"

If your thesis is that his mismanagement ran it into the ground, yes.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or giving him a pass. Just that it doesn't follow from the evidence presented.

Very well. I will try to document what I can.

WAIT... This isn't necessary. Geoff made some mistakes, but he also was exploring an area of business that, for the most part, did not exist prior to the advent of CTDN and citizen journalism. He explored this area. Some of us joined him on that journey and are grateful. We also acknowledge mistakes were made.

Entrepreneurs make mistakes. We are picking over the bones of an entrepreneur. But let's acknowledge the journey. This was a hell of a ride. It was much better done than those of Zell, Eason or Freidheim.

Tonight, Geoff is being roasted. But, I expect some of his ideas will live on and be used by others.

I didn't flame Geoff like Fernando did (he's entitled to his opinion.) But I did post on Chicagosphere that this is a great example of why local bloggers should be wary of nonprofit funding (as much as of their own ability to diversify their funding streams):

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicagosphere/2009/09/breaking-chitown-d...

Great piece, Mike. That's the best rundown I've seen yet. So they knew as early as last Friday? How is everyone just now hearing about it? I had no idea.

Your post is incorrect regarding the timing of the layoffs. We weren't told we were being laid off until Wednesday afternoon. I worked more than full days Tuesday and Wednesday.

1 points
by lanarama 10 weeks 4 days ago

Hi, Peter. Sorry to hear about things at the CTDN. You're writing for the onion now? That was fast.

I've done freelance work for them off-and-on for the last year. Nothing lately, though.

Mike, I didn't read Fernando's entry as a flame.

Geoff didn't delegate. As much as I admire him, I found that fault with him. I expect he would agree with that assessment.

Geoff is an entrepreneur. As a former entrepreneur I know that there often comes a point in the growth of the enterprise when you need to delegate. Geoff didn't. It is a difficult thing to do, it is your baby and you have a built-in fear that the woman who says she wants to care for your baby is going to strangle it instead.

From the view of being a community writer, one of those volunteers who are supposed to transition, the CTDN led me to believe community journalism isn't going to develop into a strong model. Strong voices may develop, Megan Cottrell is a great example, but not a model of challenge either to the MSM or the special interests.

There is a great story told, not of Geoff and the CTDN, but of another very good local site. The operator got press passes for a number of community journalists to cover the Obama event at Grant Park on election night. I believe he gave out four or five passes. Maybe he'll see this post and correct me.

As the night wore on, he needed stories for the next day about the event. Instead the Citizen Journalists called in to say that it was a wild party, or something like that, and there wouldn't be a report...

I remember him expressing frustration that he wasn't at that party AND had no copy for the following day.

Citizen Journalists, because they write when they want and about what they want, are not dependable. Geoff's great model was to add a core of writers who are paid for content. The great fault here was the copy wasn't always inclusive of all the readers AND he didn't sell ads.

I know the guy that happened to, and it's pretty close to being accurate. I think Citizen Journalism can work in aggregate, like when we have 20 people sharing what they find about a breaking story in one place. And it can work in isolated cases, a single voice who figures something out, posts it to the web and then watches as many more people spread the word.

But anything in the middle is a hard road to travel. Volunteers, are, well volunteers. And reporting is work, often boring work. When you ask volunteers to do boring stuff that people are usually paid for, it doesn't usually work too well without some massive incentive looming out there.

Brad, Citizen Journalism worked better than MSM journalism during the fires in Southern California. Why didn't it work that night in November? I don't know.

You make good points about incentives. The incentives are very obvious at your site and at Gapers Block too. But it is a struggle.

I also know that guy and I seem to remember telling him he might have sent the wrong jolly vollies to the party. But sometimes those volunteers are capable of great works of love and tireless effort, citizen journalism at it's best is no different.

1 points
by qstrian 10 weeks 4 days ago

Others should rally around this non-for-profit new media cause.

What lessons have we learned?
1)How do you appeal to the critical 25-44 year old audience?
2)How do you become commercially viable with dozens of radio, television, newspaper & magazines competing with local new media?
3)Should we be surprised that corporations prefer acquisition to organic growth?

There's private equity money looking for such compelling investment opportunities. How shall we groom such new media offerings to help make them both enterprising as well as commercially viable?

Great questions, Q.

1. Make stuff they're interested in. That means CTA, celebrities, sports, and only the biggest news that will actually impact them. That's what RedEye is doing masterfully.

2. Gotta do something weird or different. Innovation's about being really good at one thing right? Gotta pick one thing and out-do them at it.

3. Not sure I follow on that last one. Where does that relate to the CTDN story?

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by whet 10 weeks 4 days ago

1. I don't know that you have to imitate RedEye, but I do think that if you're going to do hard news, you have to sell it - you need a strong, engaging, entertaining voice to synthesize and popularize the serious work you're doing.

2. Until online ad revenue can support local sites with multiple salaries (if it ever can) you need an old-media foundation, a ton of unpaid contributors, a model that pays on traffic and not a fixed amount, a national vertical of some kind to subsidize the local ones, or an institutional sugar daddy.

CTDN tried to do a print/radio model on an online foundation. And I just don't think the money's there yet. And it may never be.

3. Not sure I follow, either.

If people did hard news like Gawker does hard news, then it might be successful... maybe. Dry, public affairs reporting is "important" but not something people get excited about to share with friends or pay for (or to advertise against).

But even if one were to start up something like that, I'm not sure you'd be very successful finding advertising dollars. There are already a lot of sites competing for ad dollars in Chicago and you'll essentially be starting from zero in terms of traffic. Add on top of this a concentrated (and slightly shrinking) ad market and you'd have a pretty tough time maintaining a bunch of FTEs w/ benefits.

Notice that Gawker has all but abandoned covering local in favor of piling on to the day's big story. Instead of writing for a small audience in their unique way, they're writing for the largest audience possible in their unique way.

What the CTDN is considering sounds a lot like Chicagoist, which has not been lost on their editor: http://twitter.com/Marcusist/statuses/3916597956

I always expected the Reader, which has been under assault by the Chicago Tribune and RedEye, could respond with a ChicagoNow type site. Because you have a base of paid staff and excellent columns to draw people, adding a base of bloggers that you could pick-up from GB or WC would allow you to quickly broaden out and do it at a low price.

Plus, you wouldn't have the legacy of the Big Blue to deal with. But your company has never done it. New owners though? Maybe new ideas?

Not a bad idea, but the Reader's debt's a problem.

Not anymore, they are expecting a cash investment from Atalaya. They are free of Eason.

I also don't think you have to imitate RedEye. There's already a RedEye and, lest we forget, RedEye is under the wing of a giant legacy media organization. Could a stand-alone RedEye succeed? It seems doubtful since they'd also have to give it away for free, distribute it in print and pay staffers somehow. Minus the paying of staff people, The Printed Blog already tried to muscle in on RedEye's turf and we saw how well that went.

On the topic of making public affairs/investigative/local politics reporting palatable to people, I think Whet is right: it's all in the presentation. I'm deeply interested in that kind of material and even I darn near fall asleep reading those stories in the MSM. So I can imagine what it's like for someone who doesn't much care. However, I strongly believe that there's are ways to make that stuff interesting to an audience that would normally not care about it. Brad and I have sometimes talked about this stuff as it pertains to the Daily Daley or this site in general. We just don't have the time or resources to try any of the ideas we've had. And if anyone is having similar ideas in the MSM organizations, they don't seem to be trying them either. I mean, have any of you ever seen an example in the MSM of public affairs/local politics reporting done in a new, engaging way? Yeah, neither have I.

I would never claim to understand the financial workings of the newspaper business, but I'll say this: Chi-Town did a lot with a little. The evolution of their reporting far exceeded my expectations.

Whether or not the outlet dies this week or continues in a different form, CTDN is an indispensable milestone in the transition to the online-only news format in Chicago and elsewhere.

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