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He Said, She Said: Chicago's 2016 Olympics
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I personally think that Atlanta's movement towards its current development preexisted the Olympics and, like Beijing's Olympics last year or even Tokyo in 64 and Seoul in 88, were an international recognition of that development.
And it is rare to measure up to Burnham in terms of revolutionary planning. Which is why that I oppose using his quote, which speaks to such revolutionary thinking, in reference to something that does not even attempt to equal what he meant. I think using the truncated quote for such limited projects is a discredit to what he meant and to his legacy.
oh my gosh, sorry, i meant yuppie.
Sorry, I just had time to seriously read all of your insightful comments, and I have to agree with Anna.
Allocating money to services and programs and infrastructure that will exist long after the games would be a wiser way to spend the money. Does anyone feel like we're just modern variations of ancient Greeks here in Chicago, with a small but connected man leading the way toward the edge of the cliff, which is a metaphor for a giant mountain of almost entirely useless pork that taxpayers have been scaling by their fingertips? Is the Olympics going to be our last gilded hurrah, then a downward spiral into a city plagued by crime, and shadowy figures taking all the dough, and baking it somewhere out of reach, yet tossing the crumbs out on merciful days, and calling that a victory for its citizens?
Don't forget TIF funds. I'm with Ben Joravsky on this one: there will be TIF funds brought out when it goes over budget, which judging by the history of recent Olympics it will. But, true, this is not going to be a national Olympics in the way Beijing, Tokyo, and Seoul were for their nation. This will be Daley's Olympics. Indeed, I even do see Chicago 2016 as part of Daley's "big plan" for Chicago; it just isn't the big plan in and of itself.
Agreed, it will be Daley's Olympics, and not for Chicagoans. Maybe we can have it in Gary, somewhere less hectic, with more open land?
"super-rich yuppue pleasureland"
sad, but maybe true. let's hope for the best.
The thing about Beijing, or even Tokyo, the entire nation's resources were redirected to fund the games.
All we've got is whatever shady group of investors Daley can pull together.
I think you misunderstand Daley's dream. Sure, there will be crime, and poor infrastructure, and all that, but it will only be part. The rest will be a super-rich yuppie pleasureland. The Olympics will push out some more poor blacks to make more room for more yuppietown. The South Side really only have Hyde Park at the moment, and it isn't the kinda of place Daley likes, being the type that isn't 100% loyal.
So, I am always up for a healthy debate. Ones between a cynic and an optimist usually say more about the participants than the arguement itself. However, I am willing to respond to "Koji" with hope of freeing her mind a bit and giving her some more rose-colored vision.
I am going to admit that I am far too new to this city to fully comprehend the corruption and pocket-greasing that have always been a driving force of Chicago. I recognize the fact that due to this city's history there are going to be a tremendous amount of people who are skeptical of the 2016 Olympics and who will actively oppose the games being here.
What these citizens should try to recognize is the tremendous oppurtunities that these games could provide for the city. I am not going to give statistics and itemized lists as if I were pitching to the IOC. Moreover, I find this to be a profound difference in philosophy based on pessimism and optimism. During the two years leading up to the recent election, I took part in countless debates on this very issue. My own father, who raised me to study and admire great optimists like King and Kennedy refused to believe, until the very moment of the inauguration, that this country could elect Barack Obama president.
For two years, I was accused of "drinking the Koolaid" by republicans and democrats alike. Well, the flavor of that koolaid was positivity and it sold off the shelfs. I know it's cheesy to the point of cliche now, but the simple and incredibly powerful phrase, "Yes We Can" is proving to define a country that nearly lost its soul.
One may ask why this has anything to do with the 2016 Olympics. A Chicagoan, someone who lives in the woomb of this now realizable new age, should be at the forefront of progressive global optimism. Go down to the Chicago River and take an Architecture tour. You will leave the tour knowing one thing for sure, that everything done in this city is done BIG. In the history of Chicago there has been no room for naysayers. They have been swept aside by the overwhelming ability to foresee and complete new and huge ideas.
Next year, if Chicago is chosen to host the 2016 Olympics, I believe that it will be a tremendous oppurtunity to set an exaple for the rest of the world. China failed to use the recent Beijing games as a launching point to help save the environment. Just think, the 2016 Olympics could be the the chance to introduce a green CTA. It could be the chance to prove a city of this size can function without destroying the environment.
We are already leading the way in green construction in Chicago. Sure, there will be tremendous expenses in preparing the city for the games. Can a pricetag be put on an oppurtunity like this? I know Rio would be an amazing host city for these games, but what sets Chicago apart is that it is the homebase for the newly elected leader of the free world. This is a world that is beginning to embrace America again and the ideals that this country once stood for................ Mr Sunshine
Hey Aaron, welcome aboard, man.
Lots of stuff to chew on here, but I'd say that the most tangible complaint people have about the Olympics coming to town is that they just don't see how it's going to make life any better for them. When all is said and done, debts will be owed, neighborhoods will be displaced, we'll have buildings that we have no use for...and taxpayers like me will be expected to foot the bill.
And why? So "Chicago" can be the prom queen for a fortnight. There are lots of pro's to being the center of the world by hosting the Olympics, but I think a lot of people just don't see them outweighing the cons. Chicago's never really been one to play popularity contests and that's what this seems like. Why spend all that money on a fancy dress when you can be perfectly happy hanging out with your friends and wearing something gorgeous you discovered at a thrift store?
Hey Aaron, welcome as well... but, I'm sorry, I am having to take the side of llana4d here, and agree that while it would be cool to possibly host the Olympics here, the costs of doing so outweigh the benefits. (I still admire your optimism, though, don't stop believing as the song goes!).
Moving on, you mention in your response, "the tremendous opportunities that these games could provide for the city," yet I think COULD is the operative word here. Taking on the Olympics is a huge risk. It *could* be the most spectacular event ever, or it *could* be a huge flop, and an economic disaster. How are we being a showcase-worthy 'Green City' if we are tearing down 100 trees at Waveland Park, and constructing Olympic tennis courts that will cause serious harm to a bird sanctuary and natural wildlife?
see link: http://nogames.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/waveland/
lana4D- I agree with you on the Prom dress analogy. In lieu of being the top gilded dog for a week, or two I'll take a dive bar, ]flip flops, and a television in which to watch the 2016 Olympics on, which will hopefully be occurring somewhere many miles from our home sweet home of Chicago!
Aaron, what hasn't already been said is that it's really a matter of priorities. I think we can all agree that having the Olympics here would be wonderful, amazing, exhilarating, and many other similar adjectives. But where will the money come from? It's like when you're thinking about spending a big chunk of change on a great vacation, but you have debts, your car is breaking down and you live in a tiny, rundown apartment. What is and isn't a priority there? The vacation would surely be amazing. But is it really the best allocation of your resources?
Try to imagine this giant pile of money that will be spent on the games, a lot of it corporate sponsorships and the like. Now try to imagine if this money was instead spent on things like our schools, our transportation system, etc., etc. Even if by some miracle taxpayers won't be on the hook for a lot of the expenses, all that corporate money could have been much better spent. Heck, a ton of money has already been spent. The bid committee's Aon Building offices are pretty nice and there's a lot of people being paid to work there. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
The bottom line is that this is not about optimism or pessimism. And it's not about whether or not we're a great city. We already know we're pretty great. But we can also do a lot better and this Olympic deal isn't the way to do that.
"Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men's blood."
--Daniel Burnham
If, in the past, we waited until what everybody agreed was exactly the right moment to achieve great things, there would be far fewer stars on the Chicago flag.
Very interesting, Len. I didn't know that the Chicago 2016 folks have proposed adding another star to the flag if we score the Olympics. If the bid is successful, it seems as worthy as anything one would add to the flag. Then again the Wikipedia article cites a broken link to the Chicago2016.org site. Any chance you can scare up the press release/article where the bid people make the suggestion?
Ald. Ed Burke proposed to the City Council that a fifth star be added to the flag in honor of the Olympics, should we get them. Here's the CBS2 news article reporting on the story back in 2007 - http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/Chicago.flag.2016.2.337774.html
The group "Citizens for 2016" supports the idea - http://citizens2016.org/addastar.asp
As you might recall, the city was ordered to change its old logo because it evoked the trademark Olympic torch -

So the city looked to its own storied past for inspiration.
Daniel Burnham would not consider Chicago 2016 to be a big plan. If you weren't truncating his quote, you would know that.
"Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men's blood and probably themselves will not be realized. Make big plans; aim high in hope and work, remembering that a noble, logical diagram once recorded will never die, but long after we are gone will be a living thing, asserting itself with ever-growing insistency. Remember that our sons and grandsons are going to do things that would stagger us. Let your watchword be order and your beacon beauty. Think big."
Look here for a nice examination of what that actually means:
http://thewhereblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/think-big-freak-out.html
So you're arguing that the Chicago 2016 games wouldn't qualify as a "big plan" because they would not leave an "ever-growing legacy"?
Just trying to understand.
What Burnham meant by a "big plan" was a blueprint of what the future could be, ala his Plan of 1909. He did not mean some one-shot event like the Olympics. Nothing changes with the Olympics. It does not have a goal, it does not have a vision, other than putting on a nice little event that will increase tourism for a few months and maybe leave a few new usable buildings. Burnham's plan offered a vision of the future of Chicago, mixed in with many smaller proposals that could be implemented under the frame of the "big plan" that might be ignored otherwise. That we still look back to the Plan of Chicago one hundred years on is a testament to its bigness.
Attempting to equal Burnham really is reaching for the stars, so to speak. And I agree that we are likely to come up short when measured against him.
But I disagree that the Olympics will not leave a lasting legacy, economic or otherwise. I was in Atlanta a few years ago for a conference. You can still see the mark of the 1996 Games there in the quality of the hotels and public transportation. And since 1996, Atlanta has usurped Chicago in many ways as a hub of business and travel.
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